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defense secretary leon panetta and general martin dempsey chair of the joint chiefs said they made that recommendation to president obama. panetta told a senate hearing that, in the end, the president decided against sending in arms. instead, the u.s. has provided only humanitarian aid to the rebels. secretary panetta also defended the military's response to the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. the assault killed ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. panetta testified there'd been no specific warning of an imminent attack, so u.s. forces were too far away to respond. >> the united states military, as i've said, is not and frankly should not be a 911 service capable of arriving on the scene within minutes to every possible contingency around the world. the u.s. military has neither the resources nor the responsibility to have a firehouse next to every u.s. facility in the world. >> sreenivasan: republican senator john mccain of arizona argued the military could have deployed in time, if it had heeded warnings coming from the consulate and ambassador stevens.
defense secretary leon panetta and general martin dempsey chair of the joint chiefs said they made that recommendation to president obama. panetta told a senate hearing that, in the end, the president decided against sending in arms. instead, the u.s. has provided only humanitarian aid to the rebels. secretary panetta also defended the military's response to the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. the assault killed ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. panetta...
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the american people are entitled to the information they talk to the president once in general dempsey and i was a rare security risk in chose to wait until somebody asked rather than assume responsibility and the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, a man leading the leaders in uniform. is gut-wrenching. >> is a conflict as to what the president said he said the to tell his people do every do and confirm from the pentagon knew was in charge with the state department or urgent -- but leon panetta says it is not 911 that when your people are in danger that is more than 911. lou: john bolton serving the government to hear the secretary of defense to realize the outcry and a need warhol from the ambassador and officials from the government as a 911 call and department of defense can respond, how upset were you? >> i was beyond upset and speechless to what the testimony showed. it revealed incompetence at the top of the obama administration that is breathtaking. the president not concerned with americans under attack, secretary of state's all day long never once called to ask what might
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>> absolutely. >> general dempsey, we did a word count. something like 37 mentions of afghanistan in an eight-hour hearing. more than 130 mentions of israel. do you think that the questioning was not directed in the right place? >> well, i was somewhat surprised at the things that weren't discussed in depth. but i'm always concerned when afghanistan isn't prominent in any conversation we're having as americans because we have 68,000 young men and women serving there. >> are you confident of chuck hagel? have you spent time with him? you guys have to have a partnership. secretary of defense, chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs, whether you like each other or are not, are you confident you can have a good relationship with him? >> i have spent time with senator hagel, including when he was teaching over at georgetown, on strategic issues. and in helping prepare him for this confirmation hearings, we had several opportunities to talk about strategy. and i found him well prepared and very thoughtful about it. >> were his answers to you bett
>> absolutely. >> general dempsey, we did a word count. something like 37 mentions of afghanistan in an eight-hour hearing. more than 130 mentions of israel. do you think that the questioning was not directed in the right place? >> well, i was somewhat surprised at the things that weren't discussed in depth. but i'm always concerned when afghanistan isn't prominent in any conversation we're having as americans because we have 68,000 young men and women serving there. >>...
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or general dempsey's view. it was the view of the accountability review board that studied what happened on that day. in the months since the tragedy, at the temporary mission facility, and the nearby annex in benghazi, we've learned that there were actually two short duration attacks that occurred some six hours apart, and again, there was no specific intelligence that indicated that a second attack would occur at the annex, which was located some two miles away. the bottom line is this. we were not dealing with a prolonged or continuous assault, which could have been brought to an end by a u.s. military response. very simply, although we had fourses to deployed to the region, time, distance, the lack of an adequate warning, events that moved very quickly on the ground, prevented a more immediate response. despite the uncertainty at the time, the department of defense and the rest of the united states government spared no effort to do everything we could to try to save american lives. before, during, and after
or general dempsey's view. it was the view of the accountability review board that studied what happened on that day. in the months since the tragedy, at the temporary mission facility, and the nearby annex in benghazi, we've learned that there were actually two short duration attacks that occurred some six hours apart, and again, there was no specific intelligence that indicated that a second attack would occur at the annex, which was located some two miles away. the bottom line is this. we...
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we just heard from leon panetta and martin demp dempsey. i'm joined again now by leon panetta. as he leaves government service, we thought we'd get his personal reflection on what is an extraordinary career spanning over 40 years. secretary panetta, thanks for taking a little extra time with us. let me go through this resume. let's see, first lieutenant in the army. do you want me to say the years or not? the first head of the nixon administration's office of civil rights. i brought you a clip to show you on the day that you were ceremony -- unceremoniously asked to leave perhaps. we have the old photo of you there. then you went and ran for congress. served in congress for over a decade. bill clinton's first budget director. his chief of staff. you left for a while. they almost got you to run for governor i think of california. then cia director and then secretary of defense. it is you, jim baker, donald rumsfeld, dick cheney, you're on this mount rushmore of guys that have held every office other than the president. >> it's been a hell of a ride. i really enjoyed it. in many
we just heard from leon panetta and martin demp dempsey. i'm joined again now by leon panetta. as he leaves government service, we thought we'd get his personal reflection on what is an extraordinary career spanning over 40 years. secretary panetta, thanks for taking a little extra time with us. let me go through this resume. let's see, first lieutenant in the army. do you want me to say the years or not? the first head of the nixon administration's office of civil rights. i brought you a clip...
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ladies and gentlemen, general dempsey. [applause] >> mr. president, secretary and mrs. panetta, ambassadors, members of congress, men and women of the armed forces of the united states, especially our wounded warriors, and we cannot forget bravo. i was hoping bravo would be out there for the inspection of troops, but apparently jeremy thought differently. it is an honor to be here for this event. we're here to show our profound respect and thanks to secretary panetta. i recall play "the tempest," which is a nice metaphor, and i like to think of you as the prospero of public service. the secretary has used his arts to imbue a sense of public service in generations of the men and women. and like that knowledgeable duke, he now asks us to let our indulgences set him free. secretary panetta could not have served so well at the fatefully without the untiring support of his wife, sylvia, and his family. [applause] and so we thank you for your selfless service that have made your husband's contributions possible. [applause] it is clear secretary panetta has mastered the balanc
ladies and gentlemen, general dempsey. [applause] >> mr. president, secretary and mrs. panetta, ambassadors, members of congress, men and women of the armed forces of the united states, especially our wounded warriors, and we cannot forget bravo. i was hoping bravo would be out there for the inspection of troops, but apparently jeremy thought differently. it is an honor to be here for this event. we're here to show our profound respect and thanks to secretary panetta. i recall play...
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>> general dempsey, you have said this would be catastrophic. you have talked about this idea of a hollow force. but explain specifically. sequestered, are we less safe? >> we will become less safe. >> how? >> i'll tell you how. first of all, it's not just sequester. that's the piece of this that's been missing in the discussion. we're also operating under a continuing resolution. the combined effects of sequester and the continuing resolution creates a magnitude of cut in the last half of the year we have to absorb $52 billion when you count the effects of both sequestration and the continuing resolution in the last half of the year. when some of that money is already committed. and the only place you can go and get it under that circumstance is readiness. it's operations. it's maintenance. and it's training. and by the way, the civilians that you hear talked about as potentially being furloughed -- >> 800,000, i believe. 800,000. you guys are already preparing in the defense department. >> we are. and they will lose two days per pay period, 20
>> general dempsey, you have said this would be catastrophic. you have talked about this idea of a hollow force. but explain specifically. sequestered, are we less safe? >> we will become less safe. >> how? >> i'll tell you how. first of all, it's not just sequester. that's the piece of this that's been missing in the discussion. we're also operating under a continuing resolution. the combined effects of sequester and the continuing resolution creates a magnitude of cut...
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it happened as outgoing secretary leon panetta and martin dempsey were testifying before the senate armed services committee. they were asked about the administration's decision not to arm the syrian rebels in their effort to overthrow the assad regime. the plan had received support from the pentagon, the cia, secretary clinton. but ultimately it was the white house that turned down the idea. >> both of you agreed with petraeus and clinton that we should start looking at military assistance in syria, is that correct? >> that was our position. i do want to say, senator, that obviously there were a number of factors that were reversed here that ultimately led to the president's decision to make it nonlethal. i supported his decision in the end. but the answer to your question is yes. >> for both of you? >> yes. >> "the wall street journal" says the white house was concerned about which rebels could be trusted with arms. was also worried about the risk of drawing the united states into another military conflict. but it was questions over benghazi that led to the most heated moments with secr
it happened as outgoing secretary leon panetta and martin dempsey were testifying before the senate armed services committee. they were asked about the administration's decision not to arm the syrian rebels in their effort to overthrow the assad regime. the plan had received support from the pentagon, the cia, secretary clinton. but ultimately it was the white house that turned down the idea. >> both of you agreed with petraeus and clinton that we should start looking at military...
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as general dempsey said. and i think with regards to those specific individuals that were involved in this attack, there was a gap. we didn't have the intelligence that would have given us a heads-up that this kind of thing was going to happen. and that is something that we do need to pay attention to. >> my time is up. thank you both. >> thank you, senator ayotte. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to share in what all of my colleagues have said about your distinguished service, secretary panetta, and how grateful we are for everything you've done for our country. deeply appreciated it. and i thank you both for being here. i wanted to follow up, general dempsey, on, as i understand it, you received briefings from general ham that would include intelligence reporting as well as the reports from the state department and you received those regarding the situation in libya, including the information about the prior attacks within benghazi, including those on our consulates, is that right? >> yes, we get reports
as general dempsey said. and i think with regards to those specific individuals that were involved in this attack, there was a gap. we didn't have the intelligence that would have given us a heads-up that this kind of thing was going to happen. and that is something that we do need to pay attention to. >> my time is up. thank you both. >> thank you, senator ayotte. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i want to share in what all of my colleagues have said about your distinguished...
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what general dempsey said is, that there was an intelligence gap. i'm not sure i've ever heard that term in my 12 years of experience in intel world. certainly if they had had intelligence that this crowd was forming, that they had been planning this over a period of time, if the community had frankly done its job and given the information, they both agreed that they'd have been prepared to do something about it. but what really bothered me was the fact that general dempsey, through general ham, knew because -- >> general ham, over africom. >> they knew a request was made by chris stevens for additional security, that the consulate in benghazi was not secure. >> the april 16 memo? >> yeah. august 16. >> august 16. >> just a month out. and yet they took no action based on that. what they said is, well, we called up state department and they said we don't really need anything. you know, this is next to the commander in chief. this is the top military officer in the country. if he can't determine on his own that, you know, there is a lack of security t
what general dempsey said is, that there was an intelligence gap. i'm not sure i've ever heard that term in my 12 years of experience in intel world. certainly if they had had intelligence that this crowd was forming, that they had been planning this over a period of time, if the community had frankly done its job and given the information, they both agreed that they'd have been prepared to do something about it. but what really bothered me was the fact that general dempsey, through general...
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there had been, according to the testimony yesterday from general dempsey, teams deployed potentially to help in some kind of a rescue effort. this was total chaos. the u.s. facility on 9/11 under attack and the president of the united states didn't call to follow up? i find that absolutely extraordinary. the other thing we learned is they didn't have communication with secretary clinton, so whatever was happening, they clearly were not talking to one another. i agree entirely with lindsey graham. we need to have a full accounting of where everybody was minute by minute. >> the white house has said today they're pushing back pretty heavily, saying there were multiple phone calls, e-mail, and secure video teleconferences. state, cia, all of the other players. is that the way something like this would routinely be handled? >> we have to remember this wasn't the only thing that was going on. i mean, i was up for half the night i think. a lot of people who typ follow s type of news. our embassy in cairo was under attack. all over the middle east it was exploding, so you would think the pr
there had been, according to the testimony yesterday from general dempsey, teams deployed potentially to help in some kind of a rescue effort. this was total chaos. the u.s. facility on 9/11 under attack and the president of the united states didn't call to follow up? i find that absolutely extraordinary. the other thing we learned is they didn't have communication with secretary clinton, so whatever was happening, they clearly were not talking to one another. i agree entirely with lindsey...
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the president, quote, has to announce for his leadership on benghazi after panetta and general martin dempsey testified, they spoke to the president only once during the eight-hour attack. >> one time. >> right. >> you talked to him how many times? >> the same one time. >> graham and his republican colleagues repeatedly pressed panetta on why there was no direct follow up with mr. obama after they met in the oval office. >> are you surprised that the president of the united states never called you, secretary penta, and said how is it going? >> normally in these situations -- >> did he know the level of threat? >> let me wa finish the answer. we -- we were deploying the forces. he was being kept up to date. >> i hate to interrupt you but we've got limited time. we didn't deploy any forces. >> the white house has said little about what the president did do on the night of september 11th besides releasing this official photo. today the administration tried to shoot down any notion that the president was checked out with one top defense issue e-mailing fox saying we had multiple phone calls, e-ma
the president, quote, has to announce for his leadership on benghazi after panetta and general martin dempsey testified, they spoke to the president only once during the eight-hour attack. >> one time. >> right. >> you talked to him how many times? >> the same one time. >> graham and his republican colleagues repeatedly pressed panetta on why there was no direct follow up with mr. obama after they met in the oval office. >> are you surprised that the...
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senator mccain focused on that with general dempsey. watch this exchange. >> did you ever get the message that said they could not withstand a sustained attack on the consulate? >> i was tracking that intelligence, i was tracking through-- >> did you receive that information? >> i did. >> so it didn't bother you? >> it bothered me a great deal. >> and when they're in place ready to respond? >> because we never received a request to do so, number one, and number two. >> never heard of the ambassador stevens' repeated warnings about the-- through general ham, but we never received a request for support from the state department which would have allowed us to put-- >> so it's the state department's fault. >> i'm not blaming the state department i'm sure they had-- >> who would you blame? >> i'm sorry, sir? >> who is responsible then. >> sean: senator mccain appointing out they failed to give them the requested security before. you pointed out they failed during the attack, and am i right to say it's a lie and coverup after? >> oh, i think
senator mccain focused on that with general dempsey. watch this exchange. >> did you ever get the message that said they could not withstand a sustained attack on the consulate? >> i was tracking that intelligence, i was tracking through-- >> did you receive that information? >> i did. >> so it didn't bother you? >> it bothered me a great deal. >> and when they're in place ready to respond? >> because we never received a request to do so, number...
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amid questioning of the placement of troops during the libya attack, martin dempsey and the military is looking into building "small, rapidly deployable forces" around the world. a bangladeshi man who tried to block the new york federal reserve bank with a fake bomb as part of an elaborate fbi sting operation has pleaded guilty to terrorism charges. 21-year old quazi nafis faces 30 years to life in prison following his arrest last october. the fbi supplied every component of the attack including the inert explosives, the band used to carry them, the detonator, and even the storage facility where an agent helped quazi nafis assemble the fake bomb. the agent even reportedly planted the idea of using a remote-control device to trigger an explosion after quazi nafis had originally planned a suicide mission but expressed a desire to return to bangladesh first. thursday, quazi nafis renounced violence is that "i deeply and sincerely regret my involvement in this case." an autopsy report has shed new light on the death of a mexican teenager shot by u.s. border patrol last october. authoriti
amid questioning of the placement of troops during the libya attack, martin dempsey and the military is looking into building "small, rapidly deployable forces" around the world. a bangladeshi man who tried to block the new york federal reserve bank with a fake bomb as part of an elaborate fbi sting operation has pleaded guilty to terrorism charges. 21-year old quazi nafis faces 30 years to life in prison following his arrest last october. the fbi supplied every component of the...
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here's what dempsey said. >> we can't be a replacement. it was 9/11 elsewhere in the world not just in libya. >> that's pretty much what secretary panetta said again. >> this is not 9/11, you cannot just simply call and expect within two minutes to have a team in place. it takes time that's the nature of it. our people are there, they're in position to move. but we have to have good intelligence that gives us a head's up that something's going to happen. >> there will be lots of similar questions and even a broader discussion if as expected the defense secretary goes up on the hill to talk about benghazi. >> chuck hagel who is the alleged next secretary of defense, he got grilled on the hill last week. didn't do so well by most accounts. what do you think he's going to do this week? >> i think that probably what happened during the confirmation hearings, he lost more republican votes. there will be some republicans who vote for him. i think the majority of republicans are likely to vote against him. and i think some of those piled up watch
here's what dempsey said. >> we can't be a replacement. it was 9/11 elsewhere in the world not just in libya. >> that's pretty much what secretary panetta said again. >> this is not 9/11, you cannot just simply call and expect within two minutes to have a team in place. it takes time that's the nature of it. our people are there, they're in position to move. but we have to have good intelligence that gives us a head's up that something's going to happen. >> there will be...
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hurry. $14.95 won't last. >>> we are back with secretary panetta and general dempsey. again, thank you gentlemen for being here. let me ask about benghazi. first, you'll be talking to capitol hill before you leave office? >> we'll be working on that. they have asked us to testify and we probably will have that opportunity. >> one of the outstanding questions has been why wasn't there someone to come help? why didn't you -- we know you did move ships closer. we know the air base in sicily, you brought in a strike force. why didn't you in a seven-hour timeframe this took place, why couldn't the strike force have said, even if you didn't know what was going on, just get closer. go as though you're going to go there and we'll let you know what we find out? >> very frankly intelligence did not provide any warning this, in fact, was going to happen. we deployed. we knew there were problems here. we moved forces into place where we could deploy them quickly if we had to. they were ready to go. very frankly by the time we got the information as to what, in fact, was taking pla
hurry. $14.95 won't last. >>> we are back with secretary panetta and general dempsey. again, thank you gentlemen for being here. let me ask about benghazi. first, you'll be talking to capitol hill before you leave office? >> we'll be working on that. they have asked us to testify and we probably will have that opportunity. >> one of the outstanding questions has been why wasn't there someone to come help? why didn't you -- we know you did move ships closer. we know the air...
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>> well, one thing that was interesting i thought from the panetta testimony is when general dempsey, he testified with leon panetta chairman of the joint chiefs and he said he was surprised when he was pressed that hillary clinton didn't read that all important august 15th cable, right, where chris stevens said, we aren't going to be able to repel and attack in benghazi with what we have. and he was pressed on that. are you surprised she didn't see he it, well, yeah, i was surprised. it looked like there was buck passing from panetta and dempsey to the state department because they said people are wondering why we didn't have armed aircraft in the vicinity, well, we didn't have enough time, and essentially saying the state department didn't request it. so, it all seems like, you know, fingers are pointing in the other direction. >> bill: here is what i think. >> i didn't learn that much. >> bill: here is what i think happened so i don't want to do this anymore because nothing's going to happen. all right, nobody's going to be disciplined. nobody's going to be scolded or did anything.
>> well, one thing that was interesting i thought from the panetta testimony is when general dempsey, he testified with leon panetta chairman of the joint chiefs and he said he was surprised when he was pressed that hillary clinton didn't read that all important august 15th cable, right, where chris stevens said, we aren't going to be able to repel and attack in benghazi with what we have. and he was pressed on that. are you surprised she didn't see he it, well, yeah, i was surprised. it...
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general dempsey says the military respond appropriately. i will ask them what is an inappropriate response. the system failed. but the person i blame the most for benghazi is president obama. it's his foreign policy strategy that aloud this conflict to become a death trap. he's the one to share the blame above all others. martha: senator mccain poibtsd out the last two seals were killed in the final hour of a 7-hour siege. it makes the argument you can't respond to the second 911 call and they can't get there in time a little more complicated, doesn't it? >> it it's a system failure. when general dempsey says the d.o.d. responded appropriately. i think not. not one d.o.d. asset reached these people for over 7 hours. i just find it dumbfounding to believe that we could not provide any military assistance on 9/11 of all days. and given the history of the threat. reports out of libya and the terror situation. this is a system failure. no one is pressing the president. the mainstream media is giving the obama administration a pass and that need
general dempsey says the military respond appropriately. i will ask them what is an inappropriate response. the system failed. but the person i blame the most for benghazi is president obama. it's his foreign policy strategy that aloud this conflict to become a death trap. he's the one to share the blame above all others. martha: senator mccain poibtsd out the last two seals were killed in the final hour of a 7-hour siege. it makes the argument you can't respond to the second 911 call and they...
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. >> greta: i realize today was the hearing with the secretary of defense and general dempsey. i'm curious though, do you know what the cia was doing at that benghazi conflict, what was their job? >> i do not know what their job was, and i'm sure it was gathering intelligence, but the thing that was really frustrating about it is, general dempsey and secretary panetta who are admire, basically said, well, there was nothing we could do. it's 330 miles from the base in crete, to benghazi. if we'd had assets there, they could have reacted. remember, this attack lasted for seven hours, two of the americans died in the last hour. and they believed somehow this threat at the consulate in benghazi was no different than many other places in the world. i am absolutely confident there was no place in the world where there was the attack on the british ambassador, the red cross closed and on august 15th, a message that said they could not resist a sustained attack on the consulate and yet, there was no provision made to move any department of defense asset, either air or ground, anywhere
. >> greta: i realize today was the hearing with the secretary of defense and general dempsey. i'm curious though, do you know what the cia was doing at that benghazi conflict, what was their job? >> i do not know what their job was, and i'm sure it was gathering intelligence, but the thing that was really frustrating about it is, general dempsey and secretary panetta who are admire, basically said, well, there was nothing we could do. it's 330 miles from the base in crete, to...
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dempsey didn't know. is he not paying attention to that it all goes down, okay. and the bottom line is the state department didn't protect their guy. it's their fault and that's that. bill. the thing about this though is panetta and dempsey and they said well, we didn't have the time to deploy the aircraft. >> bill: they didn't. >> graham pushed them on it and mccain pushed them on it and i think at the end of all of this, we think about all all of this went down, it was 9/11. they said there were 300 threats around the world. >> bill: yep. this wasn't any old outpost. this was a place where the british had pulled out. we had seen major incursions in that area. we had the front of the gate blown out already on that compound earlier in the year. so they had lots of warning science. >> bill: they were watching in egypt as you remember egypt went up before. that's where the military is watching. not a backwater like benghazi. i don't blame the military here. i have got it get on to brennan. brennan is the architect of the drones blowing people all up over the world.
dempsey didn't know. is he not paying attention to that it all goes down, okay. and the bottom line is the state department didn't protect their guy. it's their fault and that's that. bill. the thing about this though is panetta and dempsey and they said well, we didn't have the time to deploy the aircraft. >> bill: they didn't. >> graham pushed them on it and mccain pushed them on it and i think at the end of all of this, we think about all all of this went down, it was 9/11. they...
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you had this hearing yesterday with panetta and dempsey. that's where this information came out. >> i will protect the senate's rights all day long when it comes to any executive branch whether it's obama, clinton, bush or the next person. i'm not -- my desire is not to protect t protect executive branch. i like congressional hearings. i also like nonhypocrisy. joel just called this a scandal, a conspiracy. there is no conspiracy here unless you say it's a conspiracy. if there is have more hearings. bring them all in. >> it's hard to have fruitful hearings with people who won't tell you the truth. >> you're right. we didn't have much of that during the bush hearings. >> we may never know. a lot of holes in this story that came out dramatically yesterday when leon panetta was cross examined. that's the thing. five months later we're still getting new information. gentlemen, thank you. joel pollack, we appreciate it. jimmy williams as always. kevin williamson thank you. now we're going to finish off the week with one last look at your money.
you had this hearing yesterday with panetta and dempsey. that's where this information came out. >> i will protect the senate's rights all day long when it comes to any executive branch whether it's obama, clinton, bush or the next person. i'm not -- my desire is not to protect t protect executive branch. i like congressional hearings. i also like nonhypocrisy. joel just called this a scandal, a conspiracy. there is no conspiracy here unless you say it's a conspiracy. if there is have...
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departure from the pentagon today, plus clinton's last week and petraeus's resignation in 2012, general dempsey is the only known remaining advocate of arming the rebels still in a top advisory role. i'm joined who served in the obama administration state departments and is now dean of the school of advanced international studies at johns hopkins university. and andrew tabler, a senior fellow at the washington institute for near east policy. what were the main schools of thought. how did the camps break down in this argument inside the administration on what to do about syria, andrew? >> basically you have a discussion about syria about all the different options. and it really comes down to this. the white house was hedgingment they really did not want to get involved in syria. they have a firm policy to stay out of the middle east and would like to pull back. at the same time the agencies that deal with syria and the problem there, which is growing and mushrooming, the state department, cia and to a certain extent the department of defence all of which were throwing their hands up in the air a
departure from the pentagon today, plus clinton's last week and petraeus's resignation in 2012, general dempsey is the only known remaining advocate of arming the rebels still in a top advisory role. i'm joined who served in the obama administration state departments and is now dean of the school of advanced international studies at johns hopkins university. and andrew tabler, a senior fellow at the washington institute for near east policy. what were the main schools of thought. how did the...